Thursday, October 06, 2005

Interesting (for a formal heretic, that is)

Credo quia absurdum.


"There are things I submit that are foolish enough, those concerned with the reproaches and sufferings of God. For which is more beneath God's dignity, more a matter of shame, to be born or to die, to carry about a body or a cross, to be circumcised or to be crucified, to be fed at the breast or to be buried, to be laid in a manger or to be entombed in a sepulcher? You will be wiser if you also refuse to believe these. Yet wise you cannot be, except by becoming a fool in the world through believing the foolish things of God. Whatever is beneath God's dignity is for my advantage. I am saved if I am not ashamed of my Lord. The Son of God was crucified: I am not ashamed- because it is shameful. The Son of God died: it is immedietely credible- because it is silly. He was buried, and rose again: it is certain- because it is impossible."

I do wonder if my impression of what Tertullian is getting at is actually what he was trying to express. The feeling I get is this... the idea of the Fall, the Chosen People, the Incarnation, the Death and Ressurection of a God-Man, Baptism, salvation, all of it, is just too ridiculous to be made up. It is absurd. Its far-fetched... so far fetched it can't be made up. I think that's what he was trying to say... not sure though...

7 Comments:

Blogger Velvet said...

i never said i agreed with the man


pay closer attention before you freak out my friend

;)

Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:49:00 PM  
Blogger Velvet said...

oh! hello holly- diden't see that there hehe... thanks for the


apologia de sophia- i'll take that anyday hehe

Thursday, October 06, 2005 6:50:00 PM  
Blogger Velvet said...

oh yeah- just thought i'd mention tertullian was like a good critic of heresies, but a bad DEFENDER of dogmatic truths... ie he diden't really defend it... lol

Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:01:00 PM  
Blogger Velvet said...

ironically he was also a heretic AND critic of heresy, ha!

Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, I guess Ergo Sum agrees with your interpretation, Calabrizella, because your interpretation seems to be what he is arguing against. I do not agree with your interpretation. I think Ergo Sum's criticism seems basically valid if in fact Tertullian was trying to say what you suggested that he was trying to say. However, I think that Tertullian was probably expounding on the foolishness that God said in the Bible, which God wrote. (See 1 Corinthians 1:18-27) It is not possible that Ergo Sum could have a valid criticism against God's writings.

Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:45:00 PM  
Blogger Velvet said...

oh i guess i did read yeh wrong... well, why do we study ideas/philosophies at all? it seems to me the ridiculous ones are worth studying, if we can learn from the mistakes of the past...

Friday, October 07, 2005 1:01:00 PM  
Blogger Velvet said...

I am pretty certain Tertullian meant this view literally,
(and that he wasen't just talking about a poetic reference to the great bounds of God's love for man, who continually rejects God) because Tertullian was staunchly in opposition to the Justinian understanding that reason (most specifically philosophy) leads to faith. Tertullian was a lawyer and a former pagan, while Justin was a philosopher. There past experiences/worldviews contributed greatly to the way in which they approached faith and reason. Justin's view is more the Church's view. (ie faith and reason are in harmony)

Friday, October 07, 2005 1:25:00 PM  

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