Augustine's Intellectual Orgasm
HOLLY, HOLLY, HOLLY!
WHERE ARE YOU? WHY AREN'T YOU HERE?
GUESS WHAT?
AUGUSTINE NOT ONLY BELIEVES IN THE I. O. (our lovely co-creation, hahaha!) HE ALSO CONSIDERS IT TO BE ALL THERE WAS BEFORE THE FALL, lol, as in, he thought that physical orgasm is a RESULT of our state of disordered-ness... and hence, could not have existed pre-original sin AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! SO GUESS WHAT HE CALLS THE I.O.! It's "Spiritual Delight" what you get when you had sex in the Garden of Eden, supposedly ;) And the "moving of the sexual organ" for the male was as exciting as "a farmer calmly sowing his seeds" ( although, what farmer actually does so calmly anyways? Isin't that quite a vigorous activity pre-20th century technology ;)
But yeah, so, of course, this all seems quite Manichean, which is exactly what "Julian the Pelagian" accused Augustine of. Personally, I agree with the heretic on this. If orgasm is evil, the body then would be the source of evil. How do we feel about all this? Lol, its no wonder Julian freaked out at Augustine, I'm definetely feeling the heretic on this point, hehe :O
WHERE ARE YOU? WHY AREN'T YOU HERE?
GUESS WHAT?
AUGUSTINE NOT ONLY BELIEVES IN THE I. O. (our lovely co-creation, hahaha!) HE ALSO CONSIDERS IT TO BE ALL THERE WAS BEFORE THE FALL, lol, as in, he thought that physical orgasm is a RESULT of our state of disordered-ness... and hence, could not have existed pre-original sin AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! SO GUESS WHAT HE CALLS THE I.O.! It's "Spiritual Delight" what you get when you had sex in the Garden of Eden, supposedly ;) And the "moving of the sexual organ" for the male was as exciting as "a farmer calmly sowing his seeds" ( although, what farmer actually does so calmly anyways? Isin't that quite a vigorous activity pre-20th century technology ;)
But yeah, so, of course, this all seems quite Manichean, which is exactly what "Julian the Pelagian" accused Augustine of. Personally, I agree with the heretic on this. If orgasm is evil, the body then would be the source of evil. How do we feel about all this? Lol, its no wonder Julian freaked out at Augustine, I'm definetely feeling the heretic on this point, hehe :O
posted by Velvet at 5:24 PM
2 Comments:
wow you spent enough time developing that one, lol
augustine, augustine...
"Our dear father, Augustine"
As my prof says! hahaha, its funny how she says it sarcastically, hehe
;)
He did have REASON behind his thinking...
(this is what we discussed in class, although no-one particularly was in favor of Augustine on this particular issue, since for him, even sex in marraige is sinful, albeit venial, less serious and easily pardoned, but always involving disorderedness and sin)
For ex.
From his perspective, by nature of the (male) orgasm, it is always irrational (he thinks), or disordered IN the sense THAT it cannot be controlled, and to him, anything that did not come under the rational control of the will was a result of concupiscence, and for him arousal, is completely out of the realm of reason and will, hence arousal always involves disorder/concupicence... concupicence being a STATE in which man is born IN WHICH he has a tendency towards disorder... ie, man is now born, after the fall with tendency to SELF LOVE ABOVE love of GOD.
NOW, I DO agree with Augustine in his understanding of what concupicence IS, but whether or not arousal IS ALWAYS disordered and hence ALWAYS a result of concupicence? That I see as an assumption, perhaps an experential projection, on the part of Augustine, who put off his baptism because he did not believe he could ever become chaste and is of course famous for praying "Lord, make me chaste, but not yet."
LOL
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